ID 1893 Mauser?

[IronCelt]

 ID 1893 Mauser?

[pacrat]

Welcome to Mauser Central.

More knowledgable fellas than I am here but this is what I see.

The P.V with the rampant lion over it is a Belgium nitro proof circa 1924 the mark just above it is also Belgium, it is a inspectors mark that has been in use since 1853. the oval crest containing E.L.G. and star with crown atop is also Belgium. It is a black powder proof circa 1893.

[IronCelt]

93, yes

[pacrat]

Ya got me there. My 93 is a 7mm.

Wish yours still had its crest. Possibly a commercial rifle from the get go?

All the proofs are Belgium. the 7.65x53 was originally called the Belgium Mauser because they were the first country to use it as a military round in their 1891's.

Just another of many Mauser Mysteries. Maybe some of the more knowledgable fellas here have an idea.

[IronCelt]

ID 1893 Mauser?

[z1r]

More pics of the action might help. though the Belgians used the 7.65x53 they did so in the 1891 not the 1893. They produced the 1893 for other countries but all in 7x57 as far as I know. Most of the countries using the 7.65x53 went straight from the 1891 to 98 derived models. Curiously, I don't see any Belgian markings on the receiver.

It's possible someone mounted an 1891 Beligian barrel onto a 93 receiver then rechambered to .30-06.

Me, I wouldn't be too keen on that conversion. This was done to a lot of 1909 Argentines and they never really had a reputation for stellar accuracy.

[pacrat]

Mike raises a definite possibility as to how this rifle came to be as it is now.

I suggest you (slug) the barrel and find out the actual bore diameter. Might give an answer or just raise more questions.

[IronCelt]

ID 1893 Mauser?

[pacrat]

Re. last pics,

Mark behind recoil lug on right appears to be same as one on barrel, which is Belgium. I got nothing on the JB. Look closer at the (X) on the left, could it be (crossed rifles)? If so it is a 1923 Spanish proof.

Since the reciever was scrubbed it is suspicious (at least to me) that the Sr. #'s are placed as these are. Usually they were on ring and barrel just above stock line. Belgium proofs on barrel are also offset and not on C/L under barrel. Lack of thumb cut in left rail usually means an early 93 as later on they thumb cut and vented the left side of front ring.

The Spanish did make and sell commercial short rifles that were pretty much the same as their military rifles. Straight wrist stocks, sling swivels, etc. As to whether any of these were made by the Belgiums for the Spanish I know not.

It's a head-scratcher for sure.