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Mauser K98 BYF 44
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  Mauser K98 BYF 44
Looking for more info on my K98 Byf 44 Markings,Cartouches Or lack of
Hello everyone,
I was involved in the board with my Mauser 6.5 Husqvarna and I have recently came across an interesting K98 BYF 44 and am looking for any help with more Identification.
I came across a couple of k98s at my local gunshop.One in particular
winked at me and I had to buy it.So here is the rest of the story.
The receiver is marker BYF and 44 It has Nazi swastika/eagle and Eagle over 135 stamps in Misc areas.The barrel is also marked 44L19 On the bottom of the receiver there is a P and an R stamped near the magazine slot.The bolt and receiver have matching serial #s and the bolt has round holes in it.It has serial #s stamped in 3 places and appears to have a different finish (parkerized?) along with the magazine cover and box which is a stamped piece not milled and has the Eagle over 135 and byf markings.The barrel bands have no markings and the stock just has a V or L stamped near the rear sling groove.The stock has a B stamped into it next to the stock bolt.The Trigger guard also has a B stamped in it and appears to have a different finish.Inside the stock are a couple of #s in pencil and what appears to be a # 3 stamped in ink.The most interesting feature is the lack of a bayonet lug.The stock is flat in the front and there is a metal end piece with a screw and no provision for the bayonet lug.Also there is small 1/4 hole drilled through the metal butt piece and butt wood as it was for a lanyard or something.There are more markings but that is the brunt of it.The stock is a laminate and the rest of the gun has blueing.It is very nice condition overall.Thanks any help is much appreciated.

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 Mauser Byf 44
There is also no import marks and the markings on the stock are on the inside other than the V or L by the sling groove.The metal nose piece on the end of the stock appears to be original an the stock is not cut back.
I held it next to another k98 DOU 44 with a bayo lug and the stocks were the same length.I am also wondering if the DOU 44 is a as collectible.It was in a little rougher shape than the byf but he wanted 100.00 more for it

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Your rifle was made in 1944 by Mauser at their Oberndorf pant. The eagle over 135 is a goverment acceptance marking, called a Waffenampt. It identifies the inspection team who oversaw production. 135 has been documented on Kar 98k rifles from Mauser Oberndorf fro 1941-1945.

What you have appears to be an all-original, very late war Kar 98k. The unusual features that you describe: phosphate finish bolt, stamped triggerguard, no bayonet lug, front band secured by screw, and hole in buttplate are all manufacturing shorcuts that appeared near war's end. I'll bet there's no metal "donut" in the buttstock, either (the hole in the buttplate is for disassembling the bolt and took the place of the familiar donut).

The dou 44 rifle was made at the BRNO plant in occupied Czechoslovakia. You did better to buy the byf rifle. Although not deserved, the dou and dot 44 rifles tend to bring a bit less than their German counterparts.
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Thank you for the info. ? about buttstock
It has a different buttplate the the Dou. ot other 98s i have seen.
This one is almost like a cover with an angled end at the top.
I do not about the donut but there was nothing under the butt stock metal cover.
The hole is near the bottom of the buttplate and the hole is drilled from one side to the other thru the metal and the wood.The buttplate covers a good 1/2 inch of the stock and is secured into the back with 2 wood screws.So i am confused on how this would help with the bolt.Thanks Again

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Offline 		After you remove the bolt shroud/cocking piece assembly from the bolt body, you push the tip of the firing pin through the hole to take up the spring tension, so you can release the firing pin safely. Beginning in 1916, Germany replaced the regimental unit marking disk in the buttstock with a metal washer that looks like a donut, to facilitate bolt disassembly. Kar 98k rifles also had the donut, except for a few late war rifles like yours, where it was replaced by the hole in the buttplate.
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Now I understand.I was always wondering what the donut in the stock was used for and you are correct.This gun has no donut in the stock.
I think i might have done well on this one.I looked over quite a few before this one showed up.They were mismatched and from different countries.Do you think the lack of a bayonet lug detracts from the value or adds to the uniqueness.There is just a black metal nose cap attached with a screw where the bayo lug would have gone.Thanks again,Troy

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Offline 		The lack of bayonet lug was how it left the factory. It's not a condition issue. Is there a cleaning rod (or at least the provision for one)?
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provision for cleaning rod
All there is at the forend of the stock is a stamped metal flat black painted end nose cap with a screw holding it to the end of the forearm.After removing the cap there is no hole or provision for the cleaning rod at the end of the stock.
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Your rifle would have been made in the last two or three months of 1944. That's a great find. Don't do a thing to it. It's perfect.

Pics! We need pics!
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I will try to send some quality pics today.From the looks of the stock I am not sure that it was ever issued.It is almost perfect.The barrel has a really poor lathe job regarding the diameter of the barrel.It seems to have been lathed in sections. It is not a smooth even taper but rather 3 or 4
sections starting with a thicker diameter at the receiver and getting narrower in sections towards the barrel end.It seems to be very rough and
not very well done as if in a hurry or not having decent lathe eguiptment.
Thanks,Troy

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Offline 		Rough machining is typical on these late byf "kriegsmodell" rifles.
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Offline 		Looks nice. The sling is unusual. Not typical of a Kar 98k sling. The stock may have been refinished. However, it's hard to evaluate in pieces. Once you have it back together, please post some more pics. In any case, it's a great Kar 98k. You did very well.
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 Kar98 Pics.
Kar98 Pics.
I wish I owned a little better camera and I am a rookie at downloading pics.
After putting the rifle back together I realized the leather sling piece appears to be for holding the barrel band from sliding off.There is nothing else to keep it from sliding off.This is the only thing keeping it on the gun.
I look over the stock and it appears to be original.There is a V stamped into the stock where the sling would have gone through.This appears to be a very unique piece and in almost perfect condition.Let me know what you think.Could things have gotten that bad at the end of 44 that they could not put slings and bayonet lugs on.Thanks again

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